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Richard Clapp b 1780
published by Peter Williams on Wed, 25/05/2022 - 11:40

I'm researching my 4th Gt Grandfather Richard Clapp and family. He was born in Chapel Allerton in 1780 and baptised on 25 Dec 1780.  I have come up against a brick wall finding his date of death and that off his wife Fanny Tucker born 1778 in Weare and some of his children.

It seems Richard and Fanny had nine children sadly with early deaths:

Harriet 1802 - 1808

Charlotte 1803 - 1803

Charles 1804 - 1885 (my 3rd Gt Grandfather - I have a reasonable amount of info about him)

John 1806 - 1808

Harriet 1808 - 1808

George 1809 - 1810

Richard 1811 - ?

Fanny 1813 - ?

William 1814 - ?

From the baptism records of his children is seems Richard was a farmer in Stone Allerton.

If anyone can throw more light on this family, it would be greatly appreciated.

 

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Submitted by james-brimble on Tue, 31/05/2022 - 8:09

Hi

I have located a burial for a Fanny Clapp on the Freereg website. A Fanny Clapp was buried 24/8/1814 aged 35 years in Chapel Allerton parish church. This age at death would seem to be close to the baptism year of 1778. Perhaps she sadly died in childbirth or shortly afterwards? There is also a burial for a Richard Clapp on 1/12/1827 in the same church - however the age at death is quoted as 89 years, which does not fit your baptism year above. Unless there is an error in transcription? Maybe worth trying to access the parish records?

I hope this helps

Jim

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Submitted by Peter Williams on Tue, 31/05/2022 - 16:31

Hi Jim,

Thanks for your reply.

 

Re: Richard Clapp 1780 - ??

I think the burial record you found is for Richard’s father, also Richard Clapp 1738 - 1827 died at age 89.  Very helpful as I hadn’t found that record.

 

Re: Fanny Tucker - Clapp 1778 - ??

I agree the burial date of 21 Aug 1814 does seem a possibility and maybe following the birth of William.  Interestingly two infants named William Clapp were buried at Chapel Allerton around that time one on 18 Oct 1814 and the other on 31 Mar 1816.  Not sure if they relate but hopefully it will become clear sometime.

 

I have also found a record on Freereg for Richard and Fanny’s child Fanny born in 1813 and buried 23 Jun 1813.

 

The death of Richard Clapp 1780 - ?? Still seems to be a mystery.

 

Thanks again.

 

Peter

 

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Submitted by margaret-amesbury on Tue, 31/05/2022 - 10:13

I have skeleton Clapp family tree and believe Richard's father was Richard 1738 who married Mary Dean in 1761 and 'Sarah Ames in 1779. He was a farmer in Chapel Allerton. They had children Joseph 1762, James 1763-1843 who married Mary? (farmer at Lympsham; Jane 1766 who married John Glanville; William 1769 who md Mary? farmer at Allerton; Hannah 1770/4; Robert 1771 Hannah 1776 md Joseph Stickland (all children of Mary Dean. Sarah Ames' children George 1787 (farmer Washbrook md Jane Tucker and Ambrose 1790 (Cooper stone Allerton) who married Mary Strange.

Ann

 

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Submitted by Peter Williams on Tue, 31/05/2022 - 16:28

Hi Ann

Thanks for your reply.

I have been working along the same lines as your skeleton tree. So, I think we are mostly aligned.  Although, I have picked up a few interesting points from your note.

Thanks for your interest.
Peter

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Submitted by Peter Williams on Tue, 14/06/2022 - 15:05

Thanks very much to those who have replied to my request for information about Richard Clapp (1780 - ?) I appreciate your interest.

The puzzle of his life after 1814 still needs to be resolved but I thought I’d provide an update of my research and theories to date.

Regarding Richard and Fanny Clapp’s children:

Richard Clapp b 1811 - ?? — I have found a passenger list for the ship Cosmo that sailed from Bristol and arrived in New York on 6 November 1840.  Passengers includes a Richard Clapp and his wife Harriet and their children Isaac, Fanny, Jane, Julia and John.  Their ages as recorded are inline with those expected.

Fanny Clapp b 1813 — died in 1813 in Stone Allerton and buried in Chapel Allerton.

William Clapp b 1814 — died in 1814, buried in Chapel Allerton.

Regarding Richard Clapp (1780 - ?.) — 

Upon the death of his wife Fanny (nee Tucker) in 1814, he would have been left with two children, Charles (1804 - 1885) my 3rd great grandfather, who would have been 10.  And, Richard (1811 - ?) who would have been 3.

There is a marriage record for a Richard Clapp and a Mary Tucker (possibly Fanny’s sister) for 21 November 1814 at St Mary, Redcliffe, Bristol.  The witnesses were Jenny Tucker, possibly Mary’s elder unmarried sister  (1730 - 1760) and James King possibly Richard’s cousin (1791 - 1850) by his aunt Jane Clapp.

The assumption that Richard married his wife’s sister seems reasonable to me at the moment but I would really be interested if anyone can shine some light on this for me.  Also, as I haven’t found any records so far for Richard and his suggested wife Mary so maybe they also went to America.

Hoping for some clues.

Regards

Peter

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Submitted by zumrob on Wed, 15/06/2022 - 8:15

What about this baptism of Martha & Mary (twins) baptised 1 Nov 1828 in Weare - daughters of Richard & Scr? CLAPP of Stone Allerton.

Richard crops up gain in the 1841 & 1851 census living in Chelsea, London with wife Salvia? and daughter Mary (born in Weare). 1841 mentions Arabella Clapp & Julia Clapp as well as Mary.

Looks like he was buried 1 Jun 1859 in Brompton. He had been living on the King's Road in Chelsea.

(All above on Ancestry - if you have not got access let me know)

Wife Sylvia!(nee FOOT)  buried 4 May 1865 in Brompton Cemetery (findagrave.com). She hailed from Dunhead, Wiltshire

They married 13 Nov 1827 St George the Martyr, Southwark. (record again on ancestry.co.uk). Richard stated as being a widower.

All these seem to tie up - no obvious red flags.

 

 

 

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Submitted by Peter Williams on Wed, 15/06/2022 - 15:22

Thanks very much for your reply.  I agree, your analysis does seem to fit.  I had spotted Richard in the 1841, 51 & 61 census on Ancestry where he is described as a “bonnet presser” but as he is described as a “farmer” on the 1813 Chapel Allerton baptism record for his daughter Fanny it seemed like an unlikely change of occupation.  On reflection, why not!
I’m running with your suggestion now and will see where it leads me.

Thanks again you have been very helpful.

Regards
Peter

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Submitted by jacky3 on Tue, 21/06/2022 - 11:27

Hi Peter,

I can't remember where I found this, perhaps FreeReg, but it would appear to be a burial record for Fanny Tucker-Clapp:

County

Somerset

Place

Chapel Allerton

Church

Parish Church Tr

RegisterNumber

 

BurialDate

24 Aug 1814

Forename

Fanny

Relationship

 

Rel1MaleForename

 

Rel1FemaleForename

 

Rel1Surname

 

Surname

CLAPP

Age

35

Abode

Stone Allerton

Notes

 

FileNumber

12946

Regards, Jacky

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Submitted by Peter Williams on Tue, 21/06/2022 - 14:08

Hi Jacky

I hope you are well and thanks for your reply.

I had found the burial records for Fanny Tucker / Clapp and her daughter Fanny both in 1814 on Freeorg.

I note from a previous post that you mentioned Clapp family marriages at St Mary Redcliffe.  Interestingly, it seems that Richard was married three times.  Records indicate that the second was to Fanny’s sister Mary at St Mary, Redcliffe.

Best regards

Peter

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