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Hello Piers

Thank you for the information, I've saved the chapters to read in more detail.  I didn't know my grandfather and nobody seemed to talk about him in the family - not even my Dad, his son! so it has been quite 'exciting' to do the research.  Certainly his service record, that I found at Kew, was to say the least brief and it was unclear how he had become RNR because he seemd to spend all his time applying to get out!  He certainly did his training at 'Vernon' mentioned in your article.  Not long 2 weeks, was it, when you think he had travelled the world on cargo ships and didn't seem to have had any experience of trawling

Thank you again.

Anne

(Originally posted by Anne Adams)

Hello Anne

I was interested to read your post as it touched upon two of my other areas of interest - my own grandfather (though 12 years younger) was an extra master and had a very similar career path and was also in Armed Trawlers, though in his case it was in the North Sea and Med.  Your grandfather was certainly a volunteer for the RNR: they didn't have conscription in 1914 and he wouldn't have been called up when it did come in as they needed merchant officers on the merchant ships.

You may be interested in these: http://www.naval-history.net/WW1Book-MN1b.htm#VI and

http://www.naval-history.net/WW1Book-MN1b.htm#VIII  .  These are chapters from a book - there may be other things of interest to you there if you dig around a bit and follow the links.

Cheers, Piers

(Originally posted by Mr Piers Smith-Cresswell)

Hi Pat,

Thanks for your help here .... unfortunately, I've lost a lot of data recently when my old computer hard drive was dropped (by some-one else) so I'm relying on memory a lot to rebuild various things.

Mary Ann Palmer Payne gave birth to Louisa & Robert in Comptom Bishop as "baseborn" children.  I've no doubt she only went into the Workhouse for their births and came out again because Mary Ann Palmer was one feisty, independent and wonderful lady from all I've learnt.   In all census their birth places are given as Compton Bishop (as are some other of their father's siblings ... and now I understand why when I find out the Work House was in Compton Bishop).

Mary Ann (called Polly in the family) lived with two other single women the Hemmens girls and their children.  I had thought Polly was a servant in the family but I've since found the Hemmens girls in the Workhouse, as I have other Palmer girls and their offspring.   The times were not good for Ag. Labs and their families which often put off marriages etc.   We are fairly sure that both Louisa and Robert were Charles's natural children.

I happened to come across a discussion of Samuel Payne/ Ann Palmer marriage of people born in around 1799.  This would fit as a brother of George Gould Payne and given the names around Winscombe/Axbridge it appears that there were a minimal number of resident families who all intermarried at various points.

Its Joel's siblings/parents I'm most interested in as well as his children .... I have the minimum (twins who died), George Gould and Mariah but there must have been others given the number of Paynes in the area.   Or perhaps those Paynes are Joel's nieces/nephews?????

I'll have a look at Mary GOULD in Bleadon thanks for that it is appreciated as is all your help.   Regards, Claire

You have mentioned before that Louisa and Robert PALMER were born in Axbridge Workhouse but as yet I have still not been able to find them in the record of Workhouse Births between 1838 and 1845 - and I have now checked the original records.  Do you have copies of their birth certificates giving place of birth? - if so I wonder whether you might let me have a copy of the details so that if they were omitted from the original Workhouse entries I can make a note to that effect on my transcriptions - I'm sure it would help others researching people who were in Axbridge Workhouse.   I can see that they were both christened in Winscombe Parish Church.

Although George appears in Axbridge Workhouse in 1851 I would agree with you that he was probably admitted to the Workhouse Infirmary and that his stay was a short one - he obviously returned home to Ann and lived until 1877.  What a pity the admission and discharge books have not survived for that period.

As you probably know from the records online - Joel PAIN/PAYNE married Mary GOLD[sic] - GOULD? 28 April 1792 in Axbridge which would account for their son being christened George Gould PAYNE.

There is a Mary GOULD christened in Bleadon in 1774 who might be worth investigating as the wife of Joel.