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Granny Mabel BUCK
published by Pat Hase - 11 years 9 months 17 days ago.

I do appreciate your problems - Even when you have family who are still alive they do not always know exactly what happened - only what they have been told! 

Do you have the actual date of the marriage of Mabel Constance BUCK with Alfred H KEMP?  All I could find was the index of the marriage registration which was in the June Quarter of 1918.  The June quarter includes marriages which have taken place during April, May and June of that year.  If you can get a copy of Mabel's marriage - that should confirm her father's name and occupation.

Looking again at FreeBMD - I cannot see a birth of a Mabel BUCK registered in the June qrt of 1897 anywhere in the country.  To make matters worse the Mabel Constance BUCK whose birth was registered in the March Qrt of 1897 and who was christened on the 27th Jan 1897 in the Church of St John Walham Green, Fulham was born on the 19th Dec 1896 (birth date on the image of the Baptismal registers on Ancestry) which does not fit at all with your information that she was married only days after her 21st birthday.  So that does appear to rule her out.

Can anyone else find a suitable birth registration?


Granny Mabel.
published by - 11 years 9 months 17 days ago.
Hi Pat, I don't know anyone who is 100% certain when finding about family that no one is alive to verify. However, Mabel was 21 just days before she married Alfred, in June, so she couldn't have been registered in the March, she is June/July/August. My auntie Joan was born on 15th August 1918, and died in January 2011. Although the eldest she outlived both my aunt Muriel and my mum Barbara. I will when I get a chance see if I can track down a copy of the marriage certificate, as the girls went into a home, we have no family papers at all, as my granddad died when my mother was 4, and his sister, who we always called granny, was his only living relative, so any papers went to her, and she died in 1981 having been a nursing home for 2 years. Her son cleared her house and we never got the chance to find any documents. No doubt this is a familiar story. Thanks for your interest and advice, Hilary.

Rawlings / Somerset
published by - 11 years 9 months 18 days ago.
You might check with Shirley Babbage (nee Rawlings), a Rawlings genealogist with interest in the Somerset region. She can be reached on Genes Reunited.

William RAWLINGS
published by Pat Hase - 11 years 9 months 19 days ago.

Looking for the birth of your great grandfather,  William RAWLINGS, at first I thought this could be his birth on FreeBMD as it was the only William RAWLINGs that appeared to fit.  Clevedon being in the Bedminster Registration District.

Births Sep 1863 
RAWLINGS  William Charles Bedminster   5c   759

But the only baptism I can find online for a William Charles RAWLINGS (on the Clevedon Civic Society Site – we haven’t got all the Clevedon ones yet)  lists

St Andrews  -  RAWLINGS    William Charles s/o Samuel & Elizabeth  Labourer    July 20th 1863

This didn’t fit with him being (as you believed) the son of a George. However there is also an Alfred William RAWLINGS christened in 1864 in Clevedon

St Andrews -  RAWLINGS    Alfred William s/o George & Elizabeth     Groom          Feb 7th 1864

So it does look as if your William was originally Alfred William – I see you refer to him as “William A”

Births Mar 1864 
RAWLINGS Alfred William   Bedminster 5c   841

If you compare the entries for the 1871 and 1881 censuses you can see that the William s/o George in 1871 is exactly the same age as the Alfred W in 1881.

The christening of John, Alfred William’s brother

St Andrews -  RAWLINGS   John s/o George & Elizabeth                      Groom       June 10th 1860  

Does that fit with the age of his brother? 

George RAWLINGS, the father, died in 1902  and was buried at St Andrews Churchyard on the 1st March 1902, aged 71.


Mabel Constance BUCK
published by Pat Hase - 11 years 9 months 19 days ago.

This is an interesting problem when you are researching a family without much information having been handed down.  You will need to make sure that the information you do have is correct. 

Starting with yourself and working backwards – Presumably your mother and her sisters are the three daughters of Alfred H KEMP who married Mabel Constance BUCK.  Their marriage was registered in the Kensington District in the June quarter of 1918 just in time for the birth of their first child in the Sept quarter of the same year!

A copy of that marriage certificate should show the name of Mabel’s father.  

I’m a bit worried about whether her parents were George & Emily BUCK but you may have evidence which proves this.  I can see from the 1901 and 1911 censuses of Bedminster that George & Emily did have a daughter called Mabel of the right age – but - the only birth I can see on FreeBMD in the Bedminster Registration District for that time is of a Mabel Maria D BUCK whose birth was registered in the March qrt of 1897. 

There is a marriage in Bristol in the Sept qrt 1918 of a Mabel M BUCK to an Earl J JOHANSSON – There were JOHANSSON children born in Bristol with the mother’s maiden name of BUCK  following this marriage.

However, there is a birth in the same quarter of 1897 of a Mabel Constance BUCK whose birth was registered in the Fulham District.  Her christening is available on Ancestry and her parents were James & Clara – he was a fishmonger. She is on the 1901 and 1911 censuses.

Before I get carried away – you must have had a reason for stating that you are descended from George & Emily BUCK so I would be interested in your comments.

 


Pym family of 1800
published by - 11 years 9 months 22 days ago.
Thank you for your interest and I apologise that I got the name wrong. Samuel's son George called his son Samuel!!!! It can get confusing. I didn't check my generations when I wrote to you. Anyway, the Samuel Pim that you have found is the correct one. The name spelling varies over the next couple generations and in Australia they are now Pym. I was intrigued to hear that he was a widower before he married Hannah. I will investigate the transcriptions and try to dig deeper. I will also search for the books you have suggested. Thank you.

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