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Lancelot Rogers
published by - 12 years 16 days ago.

Hello corresponders,

I agree with all of you regarding the Baptisms, Marriages and Burials for Thomas & Jemima Rogers and his offspring.

We have in the WSM FHS indexes a burial at Cleeve as follows

D/P CVE  2/1/2 37  295   Lancelot Rogers   Cleeve   21-Mar 1885  74   J Fletcher

This gentleman is clearly the Lancelot born 1811 in Backwell. In the GRO Death Indexes there is a Lancelot Rogers listed in the Bedminster Registration District, March 1/4 1885 age 74 years. It looks as though we have managed to sort out this family for me to my complete satisfaction. Please accept my apologies if I have not replied directly to any of you wonderful people.

Is it possible for Janet to give us the link for the quote regarding the Bells of St Andrews? I cannot locate the source myself.

By the way, I am sitting in a Cold Narrowboat at Long Buckby in Northamptonshire and sometimes my Internet connection doesn't always work so apolgies once again for any poor responses on my part.


Woodhouse Grove
published by - 12 years 16 days ago.

Of course a number of the Woodhouse Grove pupils would have Methodist parents, including Ministers and the Southerns boys went to Kingswood, the first school established in 1748 by Rev John Wesley, whose Methodist movement within the C of E eventually became part of today's Methodist Church of Great Britain. Queen's Taunton is also a Methodist School (there are 16 Independent Schools altogether) and there are a number of Methodist/Ecumenical VA/VC Primary Schools in Somerset, with one ecumenical Middle School (Selwood Academy in Frome).

 


Henry Ravenhill
published by - 12 years 17 days ago.

Thanks for that Pat.  Yes I have already eliminated that Henry.


John RAVENHILL
published by Pat Hase - 12 years 17 days ago.

Using FreeREG I find that there is a christening in Bath at St Swithin's Walcot on 16th July 1815 of a Henry RAVENELL [sic] whose mother was an Elizabeth RAVENELL of Tining Court, he was described as "base born".  Perhaps you have already eliminated him from your research?


Lewisham School
published by - 12 years 17 days ago.

I know that the Yorkshire-born Charles Henry Southerns was FC Comfort's Deputy Principal from 1904 until circa 1916 (when Southerns passed away). Southerns was an Old Boy of Kingswood School, Bath, and his twin brother was Second Master (Deputy Principal) of Woodhouse Grove School, Leeds.

Also, a relative of a former pupil from the period sent me a copy of a letter from Dr Comfort to the boy's parents, extolling the virtues of Lewisham School. I've pasted in below a copy of a blog post which I wrote for the Weston Mercury 4-ish years ago which may be of interest:

Let them eat (a lot of) bread & butter…

The 1911 census is out early (at 1911census.co.uk) but boy is it expensive to view and download – almost £3.50 a page!

So it’s cost me £6.95 for Weston’s long-gone Lewisham School (to check out Deputy Head Charles Southerns plus pupils and staff) and a massive £20.85 for his twin brother’s school Woodhouse Grove in Leeds.

And annoyingly, with Woodhouse Grove there’s a whole page with only one person on it. Hugh Woods of Moseley Staffordshire, aged 15, you’ve cost me a fortune by hogging page four to yourself!

But I’ve forgiven Hugh. Woodhouse Grove’s ‘In Memorium’ 1914-18 booklet tells me that “During the British attack on Serre, July 1st 1916, Private Woods was killed by gun fire. His body was found in the third line of enemy trenches…”

Sadly out of the 84 boys on the 1911 Woodhouse Grove census, 8 were to die in the war and at least one of the 32 Lewisham boys.

The two 1911 Lewisham census pages are completed and signed by Frederick G Comfort, the Headmaster. He’s got Charles Southerns’ place of birth wrong: Bradford instead of Richmond, North Yorks.

Clicking expensively through the Woodhouse Grove pages I was chomping at the bit to see who’d completed and signed that. But it doesn’t say. I was hoping I’d see Alfred Southerns’ signature; he was in charge while the Head was in Canada in 1911.

Anyway, I’ve done a mini-search on Ancestry.co.uk to find out a bit more about the 1911 Lewisham and Woodhouse Grove boys. As you’d expect, many of the Weston boys come from farming families whereas the Leeds boys are from textile or mining backgrounds. Both schools have a smattering of fathers who are shop-keepers, insurance agents and so on.

Ancestry.co.uk tells you if the people you’re searching for feature on living people’s family trees. And one of the Lewisham boys does – Henry Cotton, born in 1901 into a farming family from West Bradley near Glastonbury.

Henry’s son, Allen Cotton, has sent me a copy of a letter sent from the Headmaster in August 1910 enquiring whether Henry will be joining the school as a boarder in September. He’s kindly allowed me to include excerpts from it here.

We see that the fees (including tuition, music, gym, books, stationery, library & sports club) come to £17 3s 10d per term (more expensive than Woodhouse Grove which was charging £12.67-£15 depending on age).

And that the Head is offering the Cottons a special reduction but on condition that “you will not mention to anyone the arrangement I have here proposed”!

Virtually half the letter is taken up with describing the food. We see that the boys have “porridge with milk and sugar on four mornings a week with tea and bread and butter and jam or golden syrup on the remaining three mornings”. They enjoy “ham or bacon or eggs or sausages with bread and butter” and “a piece of bread and butter at 11 o’clock”.

Dinner is “hot and cold joints”, “sometimes soup” for an “additional course”, “sometimes fish, almost always two vegetables” and “always pastry or milk puddings”. Tea is “bread and butter with jam or golden syrup”. Supper is “bread and butter” and “some days cheese”. There’s a lot of bread and butter!

There must be stacks of this kind of memorabilia hidden in homes up and down the country. And in the case of Lewisham School which closed in the 1950s, snippets like this may be the only things that remain.

There’s a website I check out now and again – an antiquarian bookshop specialising in old school magazines. But I have yet to find anything about Lewisham School. There are one or two bits and pieces in Weston Library and here on the Weston Mercury website, but nothing about the era I’m interested in, between 1910 and 1916.

Maybe I’ll come across someone else whose ancestor was a pupil of Charles Southerns at Lewisham School, Weston. Someone with school memorabilia like photos and other bits and pieces…

Or maybe someone will read this blog entry and be able to help. Fingers crossed…

 


Lancelot(s) Rogers
published by - 12 years 17 days ago.

I have been searching the Backwell records on this site and found that Thomas and Jemina Rogers had 2 sons called Lancelot.

First Lancelot bap 6.6.1773  BUT his burrial 26.7.1774

Second son Lancelot bap 18.4.1783. This I assume is the one that went on to marry Ann Derham

regards

Chris


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